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The Rapture spoken of in the bible has to be one of the most controversial issues i have come across. Since being saved i always thought i was going to have to live through the 7 years of tribulation and face the Antichrist, so i prepared myself as much as i could and eventually the Fear of God overtook the fear of death! as it should do for any true Christian! we need not fear!
But i was told about the rapture theory and immediately dismissed it as it could not be true.. but i thought well i better be open minded and at least see how they believe this!
so i prayed about it and i asked for all wisdom and understanding regarding the matter and i began researching, well a few weeks had passed and i have to tell you, i went from 100% not believing this "fairy tale" to 100% knowing Jesus is going to come like a thief in the night to every man one day when he raptures us out of here... and don't get this confused its not an excuse to say oh Jesus is coming back lets just kick back.. no but we should be shouting and screaming even louder at those who DON'T BELIEVE! .. hey you don't wanna believe the rapture that's fine.. but lets not break and divide over it... still the body of Christ?
Amazing how hate filled some "Christians" can be when someone says something there not overly educated about and don't believe is the truth, speak everything with a touch of love! and no hate!
anyway, i found the Scholars tapes i am going to put below here, to be the most helpful.. Ive watched nearly every single teaching against this idea.. i know all the theories... and its very very clear upon guidance from God, an open mind to simply seek truth to help others, and full examination and study that this rapture is going to happen, one day millions of people will disappear.
So i just want you to take your time and work your way through these teachings bro's and sister's!
"So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding; " - Proverbs 2:2
"A scorner seeketh wisdom, and findeth it not: but knowledge is easy unto him that understandeth." - Proverbs 14:6
The Continuing parts are available on Youtube also.
Jack Van Impe - Lifetime Bible Scholar, again really is one of the most highly renown in the world, explaining the Rapture
Highly recommend you to look up more of Jack Van Impe's teachings on youtube, great wisdom, again a wise man knows how to discern wisdom, you don't have to take in a persons entire belief to benefit from the real knowledge they have! you just have to discern!
This last man defending the pre-trib i found to be amazingly convincing, after looking in detail at all 3 of these men's takes on the rapture.. and there explanation of the texts.. and their simple disproving of the non rapture theory's or mid trib theories is undeniable..
After taking time in prayer and research it is easy to see that the Rapture theory is taught in the bible, Jesus will be coming back to gather his people in the twinkling of an eye, and believe me, these guys will help you understand it.
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This last man defending the pre-trib i found to be amazingly convincing, after looking in detail at all 3 of these men's takes on the rapture.. and there explanation of the texts.. and their simple disproving of the non rapture theory's or mid trib theories is undeniable..
After taking time in prayer and research it is easy to see that the Rapture theory is taught in the bible, Jesus will be coming back to gather his people in the twinkling of an eye, and believe me, these guys will help you understand it.
and please don't say " oh we don't need it interpreted by men it interprets itself ".. Yes.. it does interpret itself.. that's why they prove what their saying by using the scripture, and defining the two events Jesus coming to set up his kingdom, and the gathering of the twinkling of an eye, 2 different things!
Here is Perry Stone on the matter, the rest of the parts are easily found on Youtube, this is a must watch for people wanting to know the truth! spread it and incline thine heart to know truth!
Perry Stone Defending Pre-Tribulation Rapture Part 1 of 7
I really hope these help a few of you brothers and sisters in Christ seeking truth.. find the truth, and drop us an email if you have any good truth to share because we will post if we think its the kind of truth we need to expose!
Thank you all for the support and the donations and the Ad clicks they are helping so much and the word is spreading fast and Far!
Please help share our truth with those who need to hear it, and please all of you trust in Jesus Christ, i don't care if you don't believe there is a few blogs posted on here that show you he was real and the prophecies show you he was the son of God, and he did die for your sins... that was 2000 years ago.. now were in end times, so time is short, please get educated and get saved! God bless you all i pray truth comes into your heart and Jesus blesses your life! Praise God in all things you do!
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ReplyDeletesatan the head of illuminati plan in disguise. dont have to believe just read its a forewarning, there is a kid 23 who followed the wrong thing, he chased money found satan the "god" of illuminati. when you join illuminati satan thinks he is smarter than humans if you broke to satan he already owns you now this kid at 23 was spose to be jesus of illuminati because he can do things that the people you dont see find to be god. this is how it happend satan pushed this kid to pry to the stars one night when it was day, (night has a day and night) he then went inside his home and while he was inside satan spoke to him telepathecly while the lights was off, a voice spoke to the kid kindly ran through some test and while doing that the kid went to turn the lights on satan got mad he also said "i feel sorry for em" the kid had a upside down star right above his mattress where he slept everynight then the voices (Angels) grew angry asking who sent you? every time satan said dont think about it the voice grew more eager and the kid kept thinking too much knowing he cant fool the voices. they all liked him the good voices including the demons all thought they shared traits alike but not so. the voices (angels) then felt sorry for the kid and asked him alot of other questions to the point he got alot of fallen eggs something that can never be taken away from this kids spirit. the testes he went through were very different after each other. there all test of the coinscience the mind is stronger than the body!
after the test the voices (Angels) then wrestled the kid 4 to one the kid won that battle, just a test it was.
afterwards satan then came back to the kid and congradulated him the kid then started performing magic just off the coinscience with his eyes open, it was open feilds for the people who are dead to have fun in, satan told the kid who and who not to pay attention to. a little later satan and his demons then wrestled the kid, the kid won again... for a couple days the kid started loosing his self his spirit looked more animal then human it was a tiger. days went by the kid never recieved something that was promised he then got mad at satan and satan then told him qoute on qoute "i never liked you from the start i was only using you" now remember this kid cannot break to satan or the demons for even they look at this kid like he is evil now.
illumenati hidden agenda they were looking for a man to call jesus christ to lure the other religion to illumenati thinking that would be christ the second coming. all a scheme to destroy other religions of earth, LISTEN TO ME TURN AWAY the kid is not jesus christ. inside illumenati there is a left path and a right path the one you choose the other arm gets cut off! both sides belong to satan. this kid is against illumenati's agenda he is of it but not so. there is no way out so he must deal with it.
his human body feels pain from humans but its like he is half dead waiting to come out... he is not evil he is a good person its just when in illumenati satan likes to mess with the ones under him. every body one night went against the kid even satan tried to kill the kid late night while he was sleeping. it was like a hand grabing your spine tryna pull you out... the kid is too strong even satan sees it and all the demons and others alike see it, satan said with his own mouth he doesnt want to pull me out now cuase he fears i wont like him at all! the people are telling the kid to not be evil. pressure on some one can make the nicest person look so evil.
[Hi John. Would love your opinion of this - found it on the net.]
ReplyDeletePretrib Rapture Pride
by Bruce Rockwell
Pretrib rapture promoters like Thomas Ice give the impression they know more than the early Church Fathers, the Reformers, the greatest Greek New Testament scholars including those who produced the KJV Bible, the founders of their favorite Bible schools, and even their own mentors!
Ice's mentor, Dallas Sem. president John Walvoord, couldn't find anyone holding to pretrib before 1830 - and Walvoord called John Darby and his Brethren followers "the early pretribulationists" (RQ, pp. 160-62). Ice belittles Walvoord and claims that several pre-1830 persons, including "Pseudo-Ephraem" and a "Rev. Morgan Edwards," taught a pretrib rapture. Even though the first one viewed Antichrist's arrival as the only "imminent" event, Ice (and Grant Jeffrey) audaciously claim he expected an "imminent" pretrib rapture! And Ice (and John Bray) have covered up Edwards' historicism which made a pretrib rapture impossible! Google historian Dave MacPherson's "Deceiving and Being Deceived" for documentation on these and similar historical distortions.
The same pretrib defenders, when combing ancient books, deviously read "pretrib" into phrases like "before Armageddon," "before the final conflagration," and "escape all these things"!
BTW, the KJV translators' other writings found in London's famed British Library (where MacPherson has researched) haven't a hint of pretrib rapturism. Is it possible that Ice etc. have found pretrib "proof" in the KJV that its translators never found?
Pretrib merchandisers like Ice claim that nothing is better pretrib proof than Rev. 3:10. They also cover up "Famous Rapture Watchers" (on Google) which shows how the greatest Greek NT scholars of all time interpreted it.
Pretrib didn't flourish in America much before the 1909 Scofield Bible which has pretribby "explanatory notes" in its margins. Not seen in the margins was jailed forger Scofield's criminal record throughout his life that David Lutzweiler has documented in his recent book "The Praise of Folly" which is available online.
Biola University's doctrinal statement says Christ's return is "premillennial" and "before the Tribulation." Although universities stand for "academic freedom," Biola has added these narrow, restrictive phrases - non-essentials the founders purposely didn't include in their original doctrinal statement when Biola was just a small Bible institute! And other Christian schools have also belittled their founders.
Ice, BTW, has a "Ph.D" issued by a tiny Texas school that wasn't authorized to issue degrees! Ice now says that he's working on another "Ph.D" via the University of Wales in Britain. For light on the degrees of Ice's scholarliness, Google "Bogus degree scandal prompts calls to wind up University of Wales," "Thomas Ice (Bloopers)," "be careful in polemics - Peripatetic Learning," and "Walvoord Melts Ice."
Other fascinating Google articles include "The Unoriginal John Darby," "X-raying Margaret," "Edward Irving in Unnerving," "Pretrib Rapture Politics," "Pretrib Rapture Secrets," "Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty," "Pretrib Hypocrisy," "Pretrib Rapture Secrecy," and "Roots of Warlike Christian Zionism" - most from the author of "The Rapture Plot," the most accurate documentation on pretrib rapture history.
Can anyone guess who the last proud pretrib rapture holdout will be?
[Hi again, John. Spotted the following on the net.]
ReplyDeleteThe Real Morgan Edwards
by George Wilson
In 1995, in a 24-page booklet on 18th century pastor Morgan Edwards, evangelist John Bray claimed that Edwards taught a pretrib rapture in his 1788 book titled "Two Academical Exercises...."
Those echoing Bray include Thomas Ice who wrote "Morgan Edwards: Another Pre-Darby Rapturist." Edwards' 1788 work can be found on the internet.
In order to claim that Edwards held to pretrib, candidates for the I-can-find-pretrib-earlier-in-church-history-than-you-can medal - including Bray, Ice, LaHaye, Frank Marotta etc. - have intentionally covered up Edwards' "historicism," his belief that the tribulation had already been going on for hundreds of years. (How can anyone in the tribulation go back in time and look for a pretrib rapture?)
Here's proof of Edwards' historicism and its companion "day-year" theory which can view the 1260 tribulation "days" as "years."
On p. 14 Edwards described the Ottoman Empire (which was then already 400 years old) as the Rev. 13:11 "beast." On p. 20 he defined "Antichrist" as the already 1000-year-old "popery" and the "succession of persons" known as "Popes" - his other Rev. 13 "beast." He necessarily viewed Rev. 13's 1260-day period as 1260 literal years in order to provide enough time for his two "beasts."
On p. 19, while discussing "the ministry of the witnesses" of Rev. 11, he allotted "about 204 years" for their "years to perform" - years impossible to fit into a 3.5-year period!
What about Edwards' rapture? On pp. 21-23 he wrote about "the appearing of the son of man in the clouds, coming to raise the dead saints and change the living, and to catch them up to himself....The signs of Christ's appearing in the clouds will be extraordinary 'wars and rumors of wars, earthquakes and famines,' &. (Matth. xxiv. 6-8.)....The signs of his coming, in the heavens will be 'the trump of God [I Thess. 4:16], vapor and smoke, which will darken the sun and moon [Matt. 24:29],'...and also cause those meteors called 'falling stars'....
Right after his combined rapture/advent (!), Edwards said: "And therefore, now, Antichrist...will...counterfeit the preceding wonders in heaven...causing 'fire to come down from heaven'....And that godhead he will now assume, after killing the two witnesses....Now the great persecution of the Jews will begin...for time, times, and half a time...."
Thomas Ice's article on Edwards (see first par. above) quoted only the first 27 words in the above quotation, ending with "to himself." This sort of unethical revisionism is constantly employed by many pretrib defenders.
Not only had most of Edwards' historicist tribulation occurred before his combined rapture/advent, but his Antichrist kept raging for 3.5 years even after the Matt. 24 signs! No wonder his tutor advised him to correct his thesis!
To read Edwards' complete work, Google "[PDF] Two Academical Exercises...www.breadoflifebiblestudy.com."
For more info on Edwards, Google "McPherson Page" (click on a reproduction of "Cover-Ups"). Also Google "Deceiving and Being Deceived" by historian Dave MacPherson.